March 3, 2017 at 11:59 am #24437
<<One reason I have advocated Christian Gays forming a group at the Washington DC Pride to stand up for Christ and gays IN PEACE. I do so hope Mary will help organize us.>>
Darling DJ, when I ask people to complete their profiles, or when I ask people to leave a comment, or when I ask to give me feedback on how something appears on the website, I canât EVER get more than one or two people to respond.
If I canât get them to respond to something as simple as posting on their computers, do you really think that they are going to arrange to go to Washington?
Currently the Newsletter goes out to 136 members. Fewer than half ever even bother to open it.Â The last newsletter was opened by 55 of the 136. How many of those 55 bothered to read it? Thatâs par for the course.Â I have to tell you that it’s pretty depressing from my end to not get responses to the efforts that I put into it.
If you want to try to get something going I will do everything within my power to help, but I canât spend the time trying to organize something that I believe has virtually no possibility of coming to fruition. You might best post on Gay Christian Network.
March 3, 2017 at 11:46 am #24436
Very interesting article John.Â Thank you for sharing it.Â It is also consistent in many ways with LGBT rights, same-sex marriage, etc.Â I particularly like:
First of all, are we really comfortable with using Paul to trump Jesus? That is whatâs being done! Why is it that we are so prone to interpret Jesus in the light of a particular reading of Paul? (A reading of Paul that I â and many others â would argue is a conditioned misreading of Paul.)
And we should never forget that the man who wrote Romans 13 was executed by the government for not submitting to the governing authorities out of fidelity to Christ!
So, yes, Paul calls us to be âsubject to the governing authorities.â But letâs not read into that more than we should. Jesus was subject to the governing authority of Pontius Pilate, but that doesnât mean the Roman governor was acting justly!
In other words, sometimes the laws and governing authorities need to be challenged for the sake of justice.
March 3, 2017 at 11:40 am #24435
Brother, your thinking goes right along with what has been going through my mind for the last month – indeed, your last long presentation started my thought process as well as a sermon given by a lay preacher at our church a few weeks ago. THANK YOU.
I am preaching March 19 (yes, please pray my words will be an honour to Our Lord) and will use the passage on Turn the other cheek, give your shirt if asked for your cloak. It fits in with my anti-war stance and like you and the sermon by the lay preacher, it does not imply being a wet rag. We must in peace continue to let it be known our stance on issues of importance to Christ. One reason I have advocated Christian Gays forming a group at the Washington DC Pride to stand up for Christ and gays IN PEACE. I do so hope Mary will help organize us.
March 3, 2017 at 10:41 am #24431
As anyone knows who knows me very well knows I am an pacifist committed to non violence. I believe all wars are immoral and that we as Christians and followers of Jesus are called to be peacemakers. Enclosed find an article that for me sums up the case very well for non violence using the Sermon on the Mount and the teachings of St. Paul. It is written by Pastor Brian Zahnd of Word of Life Church in St. Joseph Missouri. I know nothing about the man but do like what he has to say here and therefore am passing it along. I found it interesting, inspiring and definitely food for thought, meditation on and let God speak to us about what is shared here. As always any comments are welcomed.
Brother Lawrence Damien Cos
The Sermon On the Mount and Caesarâs Sword
As I call Christians to the practices of radical forgiveness and nonviolent peacemaking that Jesus embodied and most clearly sets forth in the Sermon on the Mount, I often encounter Christians using Romans 13:1â7 as a kind of rebuttal. (Though whom theyâre rebutting â me or Jesus â isnât always clear.) Their argument goes something like this:
âGod has ordained the government and has given it the sword to execute vengeance; therefore we cannot be opposed to war because Romans 13 sanctions âJust War.ââ
Usually this argument is given to me in the context of advocating that the United States government should wage total war on ISIS and other enemies of America, and that the church should celebrate this. But this is an egregious misinterpretation and misapplication of what Paul is talking about. Let me explain.
First of all, are we really comfortable with using Paul to trump Jesus? That is whatâs being done! Why is it that we are so prone to interpret Jesus in the light of a particular reading of Paul? (A reading of Paul that I â and many others â would argue is a conditioned misreading of Paul.) Why not take the Sermon on the Mount at face value and insist that any interpretation of Paul must line up with Jesus? Why not center our reading of Scripture with Jesus? Iâm quite sure Paul would be entirely happy with this approach!
So letâs start with this: Romans 13 is not the place to start! You cannot divorce Romans 13 from the clear context of Romans 12. (The arbitrary choice for the chapter break was most unfortunate and has contributed to the problem.) In Romans 12 Paul is obviously drawing upon the Sermon on the Mount as he calls Christians in Rome to bless those who persecute them, to refuse retaliation, to act charitably toward enemies, and to overcome evil with good. In Romans 12 Paul is speaking directly to the believers in Rome, using the pronoun âyou.â But when Paul talks about Caesar in Romans 13 the pronoun changes to âhe.â To put it crudely, Romans 13 isnât about you. Romans 12 is about you! Regardless of what Caesar might do with the sword of vengeance, and however we might envision God accomplishing sovereign purposes through a pagan government, followers of Jesus are called to renounce revenge and love their enemies. Always. This is the Jesus way.
What Paul is doing in Romans 13 is calling Christians living in the Roman Empire to obey civil laws and not be drawn into violent revolutionary movements. Paul understands that the kingdom of Christ is never established by violence and the Roman Empire cannot be converted to Christ by violence. What Paul seems to be commending in Romans 13 is police function. The empire as night watchman. Though I canât develop the argument fully here, I draw an important distinction between police function and the waging of war. And even though I realize that at times the line of distinction can be rather blurred, there really is an enormous difference between the two. There is a difference between the constable arresting a burglar and the bombing of Hiroshima!
Iâm not an anarchist. I view police function as necessary to maintain a civil society. But no matter what I think about it, itâs clear that Paul does not envision Christians possessing Caesarâs sword. From Paulâs perspective this was simply impossible. When Paul talks about the government in Romans 13, he is talking about a pagan government in rebellion to the Lordship of the resurrected and ascended Christ. But the pagan government still serves a useful purpose in maintaining a civil society. What Paul is not thinking is that heâs giving us a way to ignore Jesus and the Sermon on the Mount! If we had asked Paul, âYeah, but what happens when the emperor becomes a Christian?â â I think Paul would have been incredulous, saying, âThat could never happen.â But it did happen. Sort of. And thatâs where the mess really begins â with a quasi-Christian emperor. I say, âquasi-Christian,â because even Constantine himself apparently understood that he could not be a Christian and be emperor at the same time. Which is the most likely explanation for why he delayed being baptized for twenty-four years until he was on his deathbed.
In any case, after Constantine Romans 13 does begin to be employed by theologians as a way to call Christians to support the various war efforts of their Christian kingdoms and nations.Until the Nazis. Then what do we say? Should Christians in Nazi Germany have just supported Hitler and his blitzkriegs by citing Romans 13? (By the way, most did.) No, obviously something has gone wrong. Sure, the idea of government operated police function can be part of Godâs purposes to maintain a civil society where criminals â whether they are pagans or Christians â are apprehended and punished. But when we reach the point where Romans 13 is used to teach German Christians that supporting Hitler is their Christian duty, we know that this interpretation of Romans 13 has gone off its Christian rails!
But itâs not simply a matter of determining when Caesar has stepped over the line. That would be endlessly debated. Rather, itâs a matter of understanding that though Caesar may serve a beneficial role as the town constable, Christians will never join with Caesar in waging war. In other words, the problem wasnât that the Third Reich arrested shoplifters, but that in the name of national destiny and self-defense it waged war on its European neighbors and tried to exterminate all of European Jewry.
So this is my question to American Christians who are fond of using Romans 13 to call for endless military buildup and the waging of what can only be an endless âwar on terror.â Why are the American Revolutionaries of 1776 exempt from Romans 13? Is your use of Romans 13 to call for Christian support of American war-waging principled and consistent or is it self-serving and inconsistent? Are you using Romans 13 to help clarify how Christians should live as âexilesâ within an empire, or are you using Romans 13 to endorse the militarism of your favorite empire?
Finally, we should never pretend that Romans 13 is the only passage in Scripture that alludes to government. Far from it! Throughout Scripture the principalities and powers that govern the nations are more often cast in a very dark light. Whether itâs Pharaoh in Exodus, Nebuchadnezzar in Jeremiah, the beastly empires in Daniel, or the Roman Empire in Revelation â these governments are not blithely commended but prophetically critiqued. And we should never forget that the man who wrote Romans 13 was executed by the government for not submitting to the governing authorities out of fidelity to Christ!
So, yes, Paul calls us to be âsubject to the governing authorities.â But letâs not read into that more than we should. Jesus was subject to the governing authority of Pontius Pilate, but that doesnât mean the Roman governor was acting justly! On Good Friday the Roman government wasnât the servant of God â the Roman government was the servant of the satan! At his trial Jesus explained to Pilate that his kingdom was such that it forbade his followers to fight (see John 18:36). Jesus was subject to Rome in that he did not violently resist it â as Peter was so eager to do. But in being âsubject to the governing authorities,â Jesus shamed the principalities and powers in his crucifixion and was vindicated by God in his resurrection. This is the posture toward evil that followers of Jesus are called to imitate. To pit Paul and Romans 13 against Jesus and the Sermon on the Mount is bad hermeneuticsâŠand even worse Christianity.
This brief essay is not an attempt to produce a comprehensive political theology. The attempt to do that was, I believe, best done by John Howard Yoder in his classic work, The Politics of Jesus. Chapter 10 of The Politics of Jesus is on Romans 13 and I recommend it. The chapter ends like this:
âRomans 12â13 and Matthew 5â7 are not in contradiction or in tension. They both instruct Christians to be nonresistant* in all their relationships, including the social. They both call on disciples of Jesus to renounce participation in the interplay of egotisms which this world calls âvengeanceâ or âjustice.â They both call Christians to respect and be subject to the historical process in which the sword continues to be wielded and to bring about a kind of order under fire, but not to perceive in the wielding of the sword their own reconciling ministry.â âThe Politics of Jesus, p. 210
* In an earlier footnote Yoder says: ââNonresistantâ does not mean compliance or acquiescence to evil, but what Paul means in Romans 12:7 and Jesus in Matthew 5:39, the suffering renunciation of retaliation in kind. It does not exclude other kinds of opposition to evil.â
So Caesar will do his thing, and when Caesar as constable keeps the criminals off the streets itâs a service well rendered. But we are not followers of Caesar, we are followers of Christ. And even if the Beast can bring about a kind of âorder under fireâ with his sword, for us it doesnât matter â we are followers of the slaughtered and victorious Lamb and we are called to âovercome evil with good.â
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